Comments on: A Mother Orca’s Grief – in the Ocean and in Captivity https://whalesanctuaryproject.org/a-mother-orcas-grief-in-the-ocean-and-in-captivity/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=a-mother-orcas-grief-in-the-ocean-and-in-captivity Site description here. Sun, 19 Aug 2018 20:50:01 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.0.5 By: John Hargrove https://whalesanctuaryproject.org/a-mother-orcas-grief-in-the-ocean-and-in-captivity/#comment-491 Sun, 19 Aug 2018 20:50:01 +0000 http://whalesanctuaryproject.org/?p=3570#comment-491 After having a personal discussion with Michael he encouraged me to share my story. I asked him where he wanted to place it and he said here so sadly, this is the true story of what we did at SeaWorld:

Great story about the grief mother orcas experience when their calves die or are taken from them both in the wild and at SeaWorld.

What’s astounding to me is that one of SeaWorld’s talking points to this day remains that they do not experience any type of grief when you take a calf away from their mother and move (transport) them to another park.

The steps that we had had to go through to actually trick the mother before a separation could happen is sickening for me to remember but it’s quite complex because they are so smart.

The crane used to lift the whale out of the pool is parked 1 mile from Shamu stadium in the back area at another area of the park. If the crane was turned on BEFORE we asked either the mother or the calf to go the med pool (depended on who was being moved), the mother would refuse to “sep” (separate) and she would also refuse to let her calf or any of the other whales sep either.

So only after the sep was successful then it was radioed in and they would turn it on and drive it to Shamu stadium. The mother and calf immediately exhibited extreme distress and this was after we doped them with tons of Valium- which I never saw have any affect on them.

At the end of my career when I artificially inseminated Takara despite my best efforts to stop it, I knew the plan was once that calf was born they would ship Sakari who was her most recent calf at that time. I told them that when that day came they could not make me be in control of Takara for it. She would be trusting me and because of our relationship and that trust let her calf go the medical pool, only to lose her. I said when that day comes you will have to fire me because I won’t do that to her. After everything we have been through together and our trust was so strong, it would devastate both of us and I know I would have never overcome that.

So bottom line, it’s sickening how they still maintain to the public that it’s not upsetting or distressing to either animal when they are moved from park to park- which they have to maintain to justify flying them all around the country and world.

Takara’s last transport was from Florida to Texas. She was seven months pregnant with Sakari and they took her from her 3 year old calf Trua in Florida. That’s about as bad as it gets and defines true exploitation. I challenge anyone in the captivity industry to justify how that was beneficial to the mother or calf or to anyone other than corporation.

John Hargrove

Sent from my iPhone X

]]>
By: Sandy Fernandes https://whalesanctuaryproject.org/a-mother-orcas-grief-in-the-ocean-and-in-captivity/#comment-505 Sun, 19 Aug 2018 15:17:16 +0000 http://whalesanctuaryproject.org/?p=3570#comment-505 In reply to Michael Mountain.

That being said – it’s very much like how businesses treat people in 3rd world countries – they only care about business needs rather than the needs of the people who work for them for little money. We live in a world where people think they can do this to animals and not care because they just see them as animals and a means to make money. It’s heart breaking to see these poor animals separated or losing their babies especially ones living in captivity. There’s just no amount of words we can say to these companies to be heard because they don’t care. It’s still amazes me that people pay money to go to these places.

]]>
By: Rosemin Keshvani https://whalesanctuaryproject.org/a-mother-orcas-grief-in-the-ocean-and-in-captivity/#comment-468 Sat, 11 Aug 2018 07:20:01 +0000 http://whalesanctuaryproject.org/?p=3570#comment-468 In reply to Deb Kaukol.

Please sign this petition that asks the Government of Canada to immediately adopt recommendations made in order to save the severely threatened Orca population. The 2017 Southern Resident Killer Whale Symposium saw more than 200 delegates take part in technical sessions and networking panels, which covered all recent science, discussed potential solutions, and outlined each group’s responsibilities for protecting the southern resident killer whales. The symposium recommended that we immediately close sport and commercial fishing in critical Southern Resident foraging areas.
PLEASE ASK THE GOVERNMENT OF CANADA TO PLACE AN IMMEDIATE MORATORIUM ON ALL CHINOOK FISHING, COMMERCIAL AND RECREATIONAL, AND TO ADOPT ECO-BASED MEASURES TO SAVE SOUTHERN RESIDENT ORCAS FROM PERMANENT EXTINCTION.

Please sign and share

https://www.change.org/p/elizabeth-may-approve-life-saving-measures-for-southern-resident-orcas-who-now-face-imminent-extinction?recruiter=612881540&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=fb_send_dialog&utm_term=share_for_starters_page

]]>
By: Rosemin Keshvani https://whalesanctuaryproject.org/a-mother-orcas-grief-in-the-ocean-and-in-captivity/#comment-467 Sat, 11 Aug 2018 07:12:09 +0000 http://whalesanctuaryproject.org/?p=3570#comment-467 In reply to Andrea.

The 2017 Southern Resident Killer Whale Symposium saw more than 200 delegates take part in technical sessions and networking panels, which covered all recent science, discussed potential solutions, and outlined each group’s responsibilities for protecting the southern resident killer whales. The symposium recommended that we immediately close sport and commercial fishing in critical Southern Resident foraging areas. We have started a petition that asks the Canadian government to immediately adopt these recommendations. https://www.change.org/p/elizabeth-may-approve-life-saving-measures-for-southern-resident-orcas-who-now-face-imminent-extinction

]]>
By: Parley Gagne https://whalesanctuaryproject.org/a-mother-orcas-grief-in-the-ocean-and-in-captivity/#comment-466 Sat, 11 Aug 2018 04:39:16 +0000 http://whalesanctuaryproject.org/?p=3570#comment-466 officially heartbroken. How can people do this? I. just. will. never. understand how business is more important than life – for as evolved a species as we are, we grow more and more heartless and cruel. thank you for whale watch..for all you do.
I just wish we had some insight on why her calf didnt survive.

]]>
By: Rozemin Keshvani https://whalesanctuaryproject.org/a-mother-orcas-grief-in-the-ocean-and-in-captivity/#comment-457 Thu, 09 Aug 2018 21:35:07 +0000 http://whalesanctuaryproject.org/?p=3570#comment-457 Canada a place where whalesong is as ancient as the mist, as deep as the shifting of rock beneath, as needed as the sweet air. Tahlequah’s tale is beyond heart breaking. We must hear the call of the whales. The fish are dying. The food is dying. Without our help, these Orcas are now predicted to become extinct in 5 years. We must act now to save the Orcas.
Please sign our petition to act now to save these amazing whales.

]]>
By: L. Payne https://whalesanctuaryproject.org/a-mother-orcas-grief-in-the-ocean-and-in-captivity/#comment-444 Wed, 08 Aug 2018 01:14:02 +0000 http://whalesanctuaryproject.org/?p=3570#comment-444 In reply to L. Payne.

*Tahlequah
*Dams

Apologies for the typos. Too quick posting, too slow proofreading.

Also, I have a couple questions:
a) is there a plan to retrieve the calf’s body from Canadian waters? and, b) is there a plan to help J50 there as well?

]]>
By: Andrea https://whalesanctuaryproject.org/a-mother-orcas-grief-in-the-ocean-and-in-captivity/#comment-426 Sun, 05 Aug 2018 08:28:46 +0000 http://whalesanctuaryproject.org/?p=3570#comment-426 Since this mama has drawn in so much attention from around the world. you need to just post the struggles that this pod are going through and how people can help ..they need to take down the dams and fix the river way and stop commercial fishing . so the salmon population can get back up so these orca don’t starve to death and stop with the captive ones for a minute and just focus all their attention on these for the moment, since there is so much attention on them right now. that they desperately need because the first comment I read was about the captive once…stop clouding people’s minds with the captive ones right now make them focus on what needs to be done for these ones please

]]>
By: Amanda Hughes https://whalesanctuaryproject.org/a-mother-orcas-grief-in-the-ocean-and-in-captivity/#comment-424 Sun, 05 Aug 2018 06:13:57 +0000 http://whalesanctuaryproject.org/?p=3570#comment-424 I cant even begin to imagine the kind of grief that J35 is feeling. She must be so lost, sad, confused.

What infuriates me is the fact that it had to be the death of her baby girl that is now forcing Gov Inslee and the NOAA to finally start doing something. Why did it have to take so long? Why did we listen long ago?

I responded to some comments on the national geographic coverage of her. All i can say is some people can be so heartless. Laughing about it, blatant ignorance, name calling, praising captivity…..it was sick!

No mother deserves to loss a child…human or animal. I hope that J35 finds peace and the strength to let go. I hope that in my lifetime I can see captive facilities retire and phase out their whales and dolphin shows.

]]>
By: L. Payne https://whalesanctuaryproject.org/a-mother-orcas-grief-in-the-ocean-and-in-captivity/#comment-423 Sun, 05 Aug 2018 02:09:38 +0000 http://whalesanctuaryproject.org/?p=3570#comment-423 It is completely heart wrenching, watching these sentient, beautiful, living beings, suffering by way of starvation (notwithstanding other critical stressors.) Each day, I search out anything/everything I can find on J35 (Telequah), her baby, and J50 (Scarlet) — any of the Southern Residents — hoping for good news, a light at the end of this very dark tunnel. There is light but it seems to come only in small flickers.

And I do realize I’m ‘preaching to the choir’ here, but we cannot allow these creatures to vanish before our eyes. We just can’t. Extinction is irreversible. Extinction is forever. The alternative? Actually do something, as in, let’s do what we can to *save* them.

#Blackfish #FreeTheSnake #TearDownThoseDamns

]]>
By: Nicola laurie https://whalesanctuaryproject.org/a-mother-orcas-grief-in-the-ocean-and-in-captivity/#comment-419 Sat, 04 Aug 2018 14:14:23 +0000 http://whalesanctuaryproject.org/?p=3570#comment-419 It’s a shameful indictment on our species of what we do to another. I pray in my lifetime we see the end to whales, dolphins and other marine species on display or held captive. It breaks my heart to see such utter cruelty.

]]>
By: Michael Mountain https://whalesanctuaryproject.org/a-mother-orcas-grief-in-the-ocean-and-in-captivity/#comment-415 Sat, 04 Aug 2018 02:01:13 +0000 http://whalesanctuaryproject.org/?p=3570#comment-415 In reply to Cindy Csakany.

We don’t know specifically. But the Southern Resident orcas have been under severe stress for several years and are now listed as an endangered species. The big challenges they face are a serious lack of food (they only eat Chinook salmon and the supply is rapidly dwindling); environmental pollution, in particular mercury poisoning; noise pollution from the ever-increasing traffic all around them. A full answer to your question would take a lot more space than in this comment, but you can get more info at the Center for Whale Research at https://www.whaleresearch.com/

]]>
By: Cindy Csakany https://whalesanctuaryproject.org/a-mother-orcas-grief-in-the-ocean-and-in-captivity/#comment-414 Fri, 03 Aug 2018 23:26:30 +0000 http://whalesanctuaryproject.org/?p=3570#comment-414 Do we know why this baby died ?

]]>
By: Michael Mountain https://whalesanctuaryproject.org/a-mother-orcas-grief-in-the-ocean-and-in-captivity/#comment-413 Fri, 03 Aug 2018 21:08:49 +0000 http://whalesanctuaryproject.org/?p=3570#comment-413 In reply to Lisa Beder.

In all reality, that’s not something the marine display parks and aquariums are interested in doing. The whales are transferred between facilities based on business needs, and not on the needs of the animals. But you are certainly at liberty to let these companies know what you think of those decisions.

]]>
By: Deb Kaukol https://whalesanctuaryproject.org/a-mother-orcas-grief-in-the-ocean-and-in-captivity/#comment-412 Fri, 03 Aug 2018 20:55:06 +0000 http://whalesanctuaryproject.org/?p=3570#comment-412 When are we as a species of human going to step up to the plate and stop this politics of just talking and start “making decisions” NOW to protect our oceans and start being responsible for our destructive decisions of the past. To move forward with honorable decisions for the protection of all who live on this beautiful blue planet.

]]>
By: Lisa Beder https://whalesanctuaryproject.org/a-mother-orcas-grief-in-the-ocean-and-in-captivity/#comment-411 Fri, 03 Aug 2018 20:51:34 +0000 http://whalesanctuaryproject.org/?p=3570#comment-411 Is there any way now or in the future to get these mom’s and babies reunited? Lisa Beder

]]>